Only way horde can win now sadly :/

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Re: Only way horde can win now sadly :/

#16 » Post by Arraj » 28 Nov 2014 23:52

Shamm, first of all. Learn something about the game you play or at least do some research before you come up with idiocy like this.

Second... pvp stats? You serious? To cope with you, man needs to retire from life. When I told you that you need to retire from life to keep up with our score, I didn't expect you will take me serious.

Bg in 02:33 - 04:00 am ???
http://www.truewow.org/pvpstats/battleg ... hp?id=1036
http://www.truewow.org/pvpstats/battleg ... hp?id=1034
http://www.truewow.org/pvpstats/battleg ... hp?id=1042
http://www.truewow.org/pvpstats/battleground.php?id=916
(ofc, these are not the only one)

vs who?? who are these guys, some lowbies... where is fun in these bgs :P we stop Qing when we stumble upon 2 facerolls in row. My guildmates usually log 80s and I'm back on whatever achievement I can hunt down on my rog :P BGing vs non twinks to improve guildscore?? You wont see us to that. Sorry, it's too low :P

One morning, ONE, dog barking woke me up and couldn't fall asleep again. I logged in and saw bg poped up, joined and look what I've found. You on your paladin. It was damn 04:46 am !!
http://www.truewow.org/pvpstats/battleg ... CAN stack
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Re: Only way horde can win now sadly :/

#17 » Post by Blacklustersoldier » 29 Nov 2014 00:08

Arraj wrote:
Crusader ench CAN stack
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can and WILL stack if dual wielded, correct me if I am wrong, but your warrior is not dual wielding, he is simply using wep 1 to proc crusader, enequiping wep 1, equiping wep 2 to get 2nd proc

there is HUGE difference between dual wielding 2 weapons at the same time, and switching between weapons to get various buffs while you can only equip one of them.
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Re: Only way horde can win now sadly :/

#18 » Post by Scorpio » 29 Nov 2014 00:14

The basic idea is the same though: the procs from different weapons generate separate buffs that don't interfere with each other.
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#19 » Post by Therealshammtwink » 29 Nov 2014 00:19

stop thinking am respsonsible for the grim reapers am not even 2nd in charge :D people can roll what ever race the ywant got a problem talk to them not me lol

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#20 » Post by Bluebell » 29 Nov 2014 00:32

Will post more when I've read the links, but before I do:
Scorpio wrote:The basic idea is the same though: the procs from different weapons generate separate buffs that don't interfere with each other.
No, you've completely missed the point Blackluster mentioned. It's not about weapon buffs overriding each other, it's no longer having the weapon which gave the buff.

Let me put it in basic terms. If you have a sword which procs glowy shit, and then change that sword for an axe, you should no longer have glowy shit, as you no longer have the weapon which glows. Ca va?
Righteousness wrote:I guess it is time to dig into this issue, if someone needs to be convinced that the report subject is valid or not.

In http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=146 ... t-enchants they are discussing about switching weapons to gain benefit from an active buff and they do not bring into discussion the buff remove thing at all. Maybe they don't know that it should be removed or as it is working now, its the right way.


In http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/world-o ... -time.html same subject but different opinions.
Unless I'm mistaken, the first link is irrelevant. They're talking about using Black Magic when there's no Bloodtlust, then when BL comes, switching to +63 SP so not to go over the cap. No one is talking in that thread about switching weapons to keep a a proc up as well as the SP bonus.
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#21 » Post by Righteousness » 29 Nov 2014 00:41

. If you have a sword which procs glowy shit, and then change that sword for an axe, you should no longer have glowy shit, as you no longer have the weapon which glows. Ca va?
There are two different types of procs, ones that enhances a player improving a player stats giving him buff and the other type which directly inflicts damage, or puts a damage over time on enemy. None of these are a category for what you just said.

An enchantment like crusader do not enhance the weapon itself, it enchants the player upon attacking. The enchant types which gives stats directly from weapon to a player are those with solid permanent enchantment: spellpower, intellect, spirit, strength, agility.

Therefore, these basic terms are not so concludent Bluebell. Enchantments which gives to a player a certain debuff uses the weapon to give the proc to the player, the proc is not binded to the weapon but the trigger of the proc is binded to the weapon.

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#22 » Post by Bluebell » 29 Nov 2014 00:45

Then you've already made your conclusion.
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Re: Only way horde can win now sadly :/

#23 » Post by Arraj » 29 Nov 2014 00:47

Wanna 2 crusader procs? here is what u do:

1.get crusader proced by 1 wep
2.SWITCH to other weapon with same ench while the previous proc is still on
3.get it proced by other weapon.

That's how it's done.

Takes a lot of luck, but can happen more than few times in 1bg.
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Re: Only way horde can win now sadly :/

#24 » Post by Blacklustersoldier » 29 Nov 2014 00:51

but sheena, that's not supposed to happen.
when you unequip an item which provided a proc, you lose that proc regardless if you got 20 seconds left, or 1 second left, the buff should be removed
try for instance those JC low lvl necks that provide buffs, they have 50 charges or something
if you buff the party, then remove the neck, everyone loses the buff
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Re: Only way horde can win now sadly :/

#25 » Post by Arraj » 29 Nov 2014 00:57

hmmmm yea... i guess this:

" If Crusader is enchanted on two dual wielded weapons, Holy Strength can proc twice."

But it's been here for like years.... and on many other servers too.

Even if it's not allowed, I'm 100% sure Urukus doesn't know about it. And what I'm even more sure about is that, if alliance won we wouldn't be discussing this ;)
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Re: Only way horde can win now sadly :/

#26 » Post by Therealshammtwink » 29 Nov 2014 01:07

Ye talked to urukus were cool anyway now

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#27 » Post by Blacklustersoldier » 29 Nov 2014 01:19

I'm against bug abusing in general, if you take a look at my war's fury spec, and then at about 60% of other wars on the server, you will see the difference.
but yes, if you are dual wielding, then you can have 2 procs up
if you are not, only one proc should be present :P
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#28 » Post by Arraj » 29 Nov 2014 01:29

Blacklustersoldier wrote: but yes, if you are dual wielding, then you can have 2 procs up
if you are not, only one proc should be present :P
If this is as it's ment to be - thumbs :arrowu:
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Re: Only way horde can win now sadly :/

#29 » Post by Naljs » 29 Nov 2014 05:08

Sorry for offtopic but
Righteousness wrote:
. If you have a sword which procs glowy shit, and then change that sword for an axe, you should no longer have glowy shit, as you no longer have the weapon which glows. Ca va?
There are two different types of procs, ones that enhances a player improving a player stats giving him buff and the other type which directly inflicts damage, or puts a damage over time on enemy. None of these are a category for what you just said.

An enchantment like crusader do not enhance the weapon itself, it enchants the player upon attacking. The enchant types which gives stats directly from weapon to a player are those with solid permanent enchantment: spellpower, intellect, spirit, strength, agility.

Therefore, these basic terms are not so concludent Bluebell. Enchantments which gives to a player a certain debuff uses the weapon to give the proc to the player, the proc is not binded to the weapon but the trigger of the proc is binded to the weapon.
I'm sorry if I misunderstand you now, but what I get out of this is that Libram/Totem/Idol/Sigil stacking should be legitimate moves?
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Re: Only way horde can win now sadly :/

#30 » Post by Nyeriah » 29 Nov 2014 06:01

Naljs wrote:Sorry for offtopic but
Righteousness wrote:
. If you have a sword which procs glowy shit, and then change that sword for an axe, you should no longer have glowy shit, as you no longer have the weapon which glows. Ca va?
There are two different types of procs, ones that enhances a player improving a player stats giving him buff and the other type which directly inflicts damage, or puts a damage over time on enemy. None of these are a category for what you just said.

An enchantment like crusader do not enhance the weapon itself, it enchants the player upon attacking. The enchant types which gives stats directly from weapon to a player are those with solid permanent enchantment: spellpower, intellect, spirit, strength, agility.

Therefore, these basic terms are not so concludent Bluebell. Enchantments which gives to a player a certain debuff uses the weapon to give the proc to the player, the proc is not binded to the weapon but the trigger of the proc is binded to the weapon.
I'm sorry if I misunderstand you now, but what I get out of this is that Libram/Totem/Idol/Sigil stacking should be legitimate moves?
It's documented in the patch changes that librams and other things shouldn't stack with each other. However, they did at some point at early 3.3.0

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